i think that the best setlist...let's say around 8 songs...would be:

Car Underwater
Williamsburg
Raindrops
Somebody Else's Arms
The Truth About Heaven
Remember To Feel Real
The End Of Fraud
Kind Of Perfect

Car Underwater
Hold the Door
Basement Ghost Singing
Somebody Else's Arms
Smile for the Camera
Lullabuy
The end of Fraud.

yeah some of the songs that you choose are some of the songs that I would pick. Thats mine there. Enjoy.

ehhh, I wasn't too crazy about SFT because it sounds like a completely new Armor...but from the songs they made for that CD those I think are the best...

yeah I can agree with you on some parts .Like its a new"Armor" but you know like any band , they always change their tune so they are updated with "other bands" Like look at Green day ; their older music is better than some of their new material.It's just the new advance of technology we have in society and we can create more musical edges now. But whatever I still enjoy Aromrs muisc.

SLIP LIKE SPACE
Hold the Door
Remember to Feel Real
Raindrops
Basement Ghost Singing
Walking at Night, Alone
Stand in the Spotlight
My Saving Grace

What is that supposed to mean exactly?

It's just alot more bands are creating more music using better sound recording systems .Take for example ,Hellogoodbye, Sonny Moores new music , ummm who else can i neam Jerffrey Star. WE have a more advantaged technology .We have the abilty to mix rock with techno rythms incorporated.I worked in a recording studio for the summer and worked with Our lady peace, etc and basically we would help readjust tune and rthym , and help produce new sound waves on computer programs that are intergrated in the sound recordings.

That phrasing still doesn't quite match up with what you're describing, but I think I get what you were trying to say. It might help if you didn't reference horrible shit that I refuse to listen to.

I don't think Smile For the Camera is a very far cry from a lot of the stuff on this album and WTDWYAD. The styles are the same.

My Perfect AFS Setlist:
Snow Globe
All Warm
Stay on the Ground
Hold the Door
Somebody Else's Arms
Frost and Front Steps
Slip Like Space
Lullaby

That was really hard by the way. My perfect Armor set would hopefully be longer than 8 songs.

Well everyone's entitled to their opinions . And even if you didn't like the references ,atleast don't critize the other bands (if you were) , because there are people who do enjoy listening to that music.But I am not going to say any more.

I'll criticize every and anything I so choose. If people don't like it, then they can forget they read it.

my town (i just want to hear/see that live again. they haven't played it in a while)
slip like space
frost and front steps
being your walls
stay on the ground
remember to feel real
the more you talk...
lullaby
smile

i hope their set is longer than 8 songs...

i'd like to hear a set of all dream to make believe stuff..but if i have to choose, in no paticular order:

frost and the frontsteps
my town
dream to make believe
wanderers guild (i would go nuts)
end of a fraud
basement ghost singing
hold the door
stand in the spotlight

Smile for the camera
Stars in your eyes
My town
Dream to make believe
My Saving Grace
Basement Ghost Singing
Stand in the Spotlight
Somebody's else arms

not particuarlly in that order but Smile for the camera HAS to be first cuz that song just rocks out loud so hard its a good first song

ditto

I'll agree to that... I'd like to hear anything but Car, Underwater



My Town
Walking at Night Alone
Run Right Back In
Somebody Else's Arms
Being Your Walls
Awkward Last Words
Wanderer's Guild
Hold the Door
Frost and Steps
The End of a Fraud

Encore:
Slip Like Space
Stay on the Ground
Dream to Make Believe

yea, like don't get me wrong. I like the CD....its just that Ben sounds different from his previous albums...and lyrically its about present day issues rather than the traditional life after death type of lyrics....but I still think the CD came out pretty well...


I can't wait until May2/3. =]

ditto...my perfect setlist would be:
ALL OF 'Dream To Make Believe'
ALL OF 'What To Do When You Are Dead'
and....a few songs from 'Smile For Them' such as: Someone Else's Arms, Smile For The Camera & Williamsburg...


but realistically speaking a setlist is around 8-11 songs...so my perfect setlist would never happen unless they did a solo tour. :]

I agree on both of the statements made in this posts.I can see a difference in Bens lyrics and how he only talks about present day issues.Oh well new music atleast,

lol yea. xD
i just dont get why he would choose problems like the whole reality tv thing though....its really a big change compared from the other work he's done...its still msuic hough, so i'm good.

I think all of their albums are equally great in their own way.
Bands need to take risks sometime, because if they write about the same thing over and over, it gets old.
Plus, it's refreshing to hear his interpretation of present day issues, we need to be aware of what kind of world we live in.

I guess, I just really kinda just like miss the old style...=/

hopefully ill adjust to the knew Armor...

if only Ben read this and gave us his interpretation of this album as well as the previous albums...and how he came up with them...and his favorite setlist to play. =p

until then, I mark down the days until I can see AFS again...bamboozle 07 and school of rock just weren't enough times.xD

But even though we need to know what kind of world we are living in, we have known since like forever.Artists get their inspiration from their own lives, and the lives around them .Aka -Rush , Green day , Tupac, like I can go on forever.AFS isn't the only band whose doing it.But like you said it's his own view of the present days issues.If you look at it from a theorcial view ,its the morality and ethical reasoning behind life and we have artists like AFS now emerging into that era of self realization and giving their own focal view of society. .............................................................. Do not ask me why I say that my professor in Ethical Issues in Media ; she was discussing about this last class.

Yay for regurgitation.


You guys are speaking about "all" of Ben's life after death lyrics as if that's what all of his songs have been about. That was one album. And before that there was a different album with different lyrics. They don't really have a history of any kind of lyrics yet. They're relatively new. Let them feel themselves out as a band and hit their stride.

I guess, I just really kinda just like miss the old style...=/

hopefully ill adjust to the knew Armor...

if only Ben read this and gave us his interpretation of this album as well as the previous albums...and how he came up with them...and his favorite setlist to play. =p

until then, I mark down the days until I can see AFS again...bamboozle 07 and school of rock just weren't enough times.xD

yeah honestly ,we just need Bens view points on this personal.Here if you go to any of the shows, ask him .It's not that hard to ask people questions, or send him a myspace commet/ email.

lol I gave up on talking to him at the school of rock...it was like an hour long line and security there was being a bitch...and all I got was his autograph on my CDs before he actually went on stage....xD

and idk I guess I should comment/message his myspace...cause itd be really cool to see his point of views on it.

I think my computer is too broke because I never saw this. haha.
but yeahh i agree.
at least he doesn't keep writing about the guy that can't get the girl.
ben really writes amazing lyrics they're different from any other bands right now.
you guys have to be open minded.
i'm pretty sure writing about death all of the time would get boring after a while

good point...xD

If you can't grasp Ben's viewpoint from the lyrics, then you need to brush up on your reading comp skills. I wouldn't expect anyone to pin down his exact feelings about anything, but you can definitely pick up not even a general view from his lyrics, but a slightly specific view. I don't know how Ben feels about it, you'd have to ask him, but as someone who writes I don't want to have to spell everything out or answer questions about what I write. I want people to figure things out for themselves.

true, true...you have a good point...I guess I should've thought of it in that sense since I do a little bit of writing myself. lol.

wow.. drama...

lol

so now that we have gone through an entire arrangment of good argurments. What should be our nexr topic or discussion..lolz. Hmmm now that we know that afs is on the bamboozled tour what are some ideas of how their performance willplay out. What kind of set list may be in mind for this tour. Any one going to buy their merch????? I know I am going to

lol...umm setlist for Bamboozle...I hope its like this:

1.Raindrops
2.Car Underwater
3.Basement Ghost Singing
4.Smile For The Camera
5.Somebody Else's Arms
6.My Town
7.Phantoms Now
8.Williamsburg

and merchwise...I hope the DVD is out by then...since I have AFS shirts and CDs I just want a zipup hoodie(but not gonna buy at the show since I'm not a girl so I can't bring a tote to stuff my merch or a bag...plus it'll be hot as hell...) and I just want the new DVD really badly since I was in the 3rd row at the school of rock the night they taped it...

so who's going to The Bamboozle/Hoodwink Fest at Giants Stadium?

If they play stuff from DTMB I wouldn't count on it being Raindrops or Phantoms Now.

i really wanna see them with saves the day on the bamboozle roadshow, 4th time would be awesome, setlist i just want them to play My Town becuz im a loser and havent heard that song live yet.

p.s. does anyone know when the dvd is suppose to be out????

p.s.s. im glad ben is dont writing about death. it would be a little repetively redundant of him to do so on the 3rd album. the bands gotta grow and thats what they did

lol idk when the dvd comes out but I was right in the 3rd row of the set when they were taping

sweetness. ive always wanted to be on those band live dvd things. it would be quite an experience.

what recording studio did you work at? i've always wanted to work at a studio, not like to meet famous artists, but just to be more closely enveloped in the music and process created to record it for people to listen to it...but i have like no clue how to get a job at a recording studio, LOL. i want to make a small one for like local artists/me/friends and stuff but i dont have a lot of room at my dad's house since its in the city, and my mom's isn't too big either... >_<

top8: Car Underwater
End of the World
Hold the Door
Remember to feel real
Smile for the camera
The Truth about Heaven
Williamsburg
Lullaby

And not in that order

I second that... Except...

add Stars in Your Eyes...

ya that'd prolly be my 10th , 9th would be the more you talk the less i hear.

i just want to hear slip like space live again..

That song is AMAZING live

One of their best, too bad we will prolly never hear it again. Stupid playing new songs live instead of just playing the classics

They're still touring for the new CD. Once it's not brand new old songs get more incorporated in the setlist again. Patience, kids.

I highly doubt it will be... I havent heard the song live in many of year. I think it may become a special song they play once and a great while. But, mostly their setlists are going to be the past two discs and maybe 'Dream to Make Believe' or "My Town'

You never know.

the truth about heaven
hold the door
remember to feel real
Kind Of Perfect
Lullaby
Walking At Night, Alone
Raindrops
Somebody Else's Arms
Stay On The Ground
car underwater

I would say...

My town
smile for the camera
end of the world
the more you talk the less I hear
dream to make believe
run right back in
williamsburg
frost and front steps
hold the door

It would be awesome if they started out with my town